Rankings – July 20th

New rankings are out and there’s no movement in the top 10.

Pos Name Points Pos Moved Tourns Played
1 Federer, Roger 11,220 0 17
2 Nadal, Rafael 10,735 0 18
3 Murray, Andy 9,700 0 20
4 Djokovic, Novak 8,150 0 23
5 Roddick, Andy 5,440 0 23
6 Del Potro, Juan Martin 5,005 0 22
7 Simon, Gilles 3,750 0 28
8 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried 3,600 0 24
9 Verdasco, Fernando 3,270 0 24
10 Gonzalez, Fernando 3,185 0 18

27 Responses

  1. johanne says:

    ewwww, I kinda feel a little barfy about the No. 2 thing. Maybe it’s just seeing it in writing. Moving on… :)

  2. mary says:

    Whats in a number!!!

  3. Delta says:

    I agree, but have to admit loved when commentators talked of Rafa as “Being the No. 1 player in the World”! Dick Enberg did it a lot @ AO this year, plus those commercials that would have “the rivarly
    Nadal No.1 Federer No 2.” Powerful statement! :) Plus I feel that Fed achieved it w/o having to face Rafa, whereas Rafa earned it by destroying Fed in 08′ FO, then 08′ Wimbly, then solidifying his title in
    09′ AO.:) just my take on it? no? He’s great @ No.1 & No.2. Love him any number!! Just want him healthy & entertaining us all!

    • miri says:

      Fed did achieve a #1 ranking for quite a few years with facing Rafa. And, when you look at the point breakdowns, it’s easy to see why he’s managed to be #1 so often: extremely consistent results in majors. Last year was the closest that Rafa has come to achieving that same thing – making it to the semis or final of every major – and that’s what allowed him to become #1. With Rafa missing the semis of two majors this year, and Fed keeping his streak alive, Rafa didn’t stand a chance of keeping the #1. Like him or not, you have to admit that Fed’s streak of reaching the semis in majors is impressive.

      • Delta says:

        Yea your right Miri, have to give the guy his due’s. :) guess it’s just the ‘Rafalover’ in me. Have this discussion often justifying why Rafa is the G.O.A.T, even though he doesn’t have the # of Major “V” as Fed does, but…. I go by way of Rafa’s record against Fed ;)13-7 in ATP & 5-2 in
        “Grand Slams”. It’s definately a debate in the “Tennis World.” Hey, like all say they, are both “great
        rivals” & great for the “sportivity.” Funny how passionate we all are? no? Either a Rafa diehard,
        or a Fedexpress? Remains to be decided……… & Ohhhh how exciting no?

        • miri says:

          Yea your right Miri, have to give the guy his due’s. :) guess it’s just the ‘Rafalover’ in me.

          Logic should apply no matter who you back.

  4. Delta says:

    I guess the main thing is I want it for RAFA, he earned it in a BIG way:) paid the price dearly with his body & having to miss what he loves most; ) playing tennis. If you think on how he achieved that position in 2008, it is mind-blowing!! Not even including the Gold he won in Bejing!

  5. Atch2 says:

    I think it’s good that Rafa won the AO and then the Masters tournaments at the beginning of the yr, so when he missed on the FO and Wimby points he was still able to be at no.2.

  6. CC says:

    I don’t care so much for rankings, but I suppose it’s interesting because you don’t know how it will affect Rafa’s confidence to see that he’s dropped to #2 and that Murray as the #3 isn’t far behind.
    It might have a good effect and really light the fighting spirit in Rafa, wanting to regain the #1. But then…maybe he’s happy at #2?

    I’m rambling.

    • johanne says:

      Yeah, in the past when Rafa’s No.2 ranking was on the line he kicked some major ass. Who knows what will happen in these next few months – I just want to see him play some great tennis! :)

  7. Delta says:

    I think subconsciously all the top players think on their ranking. Rafa probably was content to be No 2 for so long? no? However, think- he played tourney after tourney cuz he loves his work, but figure he had No 1 on his radar. Too focused & determined to not think on that no? He always has that “fighting spirit” and we will witness it before too long……..
    : ) Can’t be soon enough

  8. alik says:

    I believe that deep down Rafa loved being #1.He earned it and worked hard for it but he knows that he made some mistakes at the being of the year and it cost him.
    He learned a lesson and i believe that he will get the #1 spot.If not this year because it is at the end of the season but he will next year for sure.

  9. Max Pinto says:

    A close analysis of Fed and Rafa indicates that most of Rafa’s victories came on clay. Also, Rafa was lucky to win at the Australian, as Fed was against A-Rod recently. As for Rafa winning at Wimbledon, that match should have been partially postponed due to unacceptable light conditions, as some matches have been in the past, for various reasons e.g. Edberg vs. Becker. Greatness calls for consistency and Rafa has demonstrated consistency for less than 12 months. So what should Fed do if Rafa does not demonstrate consistency? Should he ensure that he meets Rafa in finals, even if Rafa gets knocked out before the finals?! Or should he play his own matches and Rafa’s as well
    and then let Rafa play him in the finals?! You tell me! In the mean time, let’s hope that Rafa recovers and that his career is not short lived like some other sportsmen e.g. Joe Frazier the boxer whose all-out performances took their toll.

    • miri says:

      It doesn’t take a close analysis to know that Rafa wins a lot on clay. But to say that Rafa was lucky to win AO? I don’t get that. Fed totally caved in that last set. He gave Rafa the match and Rafa had worked his butt off to make sure he was able to take that gift and run with it.

      RE Wimbledon: the conditions were the same for both players. Rafa overcame them; Fed didn’t.

      According to their head-to-head on the ATP site, they’ve played 6 times on a hard court with Rafa winning 3 of those matches. So, it’s a tie on hard courts. Fed leads 2-1 on grass and Rafa owns on clay winning 9 of their 11 encounters. So…it’s not all that lopsided even when you drop clay from the equation. Outside of clay, they’ve met 9 times with Fed winning 5 (or 56%) of those matches.

      It is true, however, that no one has been able to touch Fed’s consistency in Grand Slams. He’s reached the semis of something like 21 straight Slams. That’s amazing. He’s also won every final he’s reached…unless he was playing Rafa. :)

    • Atch2 says:

      Rafa hasn’t been able to demonstrate consistency bec he has been injured. He has shown it last yr and given he’s back to good health, he can do it again.
      And he is a damn good claycourter, that’s a given, but he has shown that he can win on hardcourt anf grass too. AO 09 was not a fluke. He worked hard that whole tournament. Who else can win 2 long 5-set matches within 3 days? It’s exhausting mentally and physcially just to think about.

    • Mim says:

      “Rafa was lucky to win at the Australian”

      A football coach named Darrel Royal once said: “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.”

      Rafa had the answers every time he was called upon, he delivered every time it was asked of him. He thoroughly deserved ALL of his victories. No one will EVER take them away or succeed in belittling his heroics. His performance at Wimbledon 2008 will never be forgotten, his efforts will never be overshadowed (pun intended!)by haters and naysayers. That match is forever engraved in Tennis history.

      Quoting one great has inspired me to go ahead and quote another. Since I feel that it is most definitely relevant to your train of thought.

      “Shallow men believe in luck. Strong men believe in cause and effect.” Ralph Waldo Emerson

      Vamos Rafa, keep believing and keep fighting. You can do it! With the biggest heart, and the strongest mind, there is nothing you can’t do. You’re fans love you and are behind you. Vamos!

  10. tiemyshoe says:

    It’s gonna smart when/if he loses his #2 ranking, but then again – who’s got 6 majors at 23? That’s what I thought, Muzz.

    Important Rafa things:
    1) Get healthy
    2) Get hungry
    3) Win the big ones
    [4) Be the cutest, awesomest guy on the tour, duh]

    All else – I plug my fingers in my ears and go LALALALALA.

    • Suzanne says:

      Agreed. And also, how the heck was Rafa “lucky” at the AO? He played the LONGEST match in the history of the tournament two days before the final (which was also really long) and no one, even Brad Gilbert (one of his biggest fans, and an EXPERT) gave Rafa much chance of winning in those conditions. But Rafa is Rafa…Everyone was shocked and blown away by his performance…He EARNED the win. Even Roger seemed to think there was no way Rafa could beat him after the abbreviated recovery time from such a long match and his own long recovery time after a short match. Rafa just whipped out a can of Rafa whoop ass and got the job done…thus the tears of disbelief from RF after his loss. Don’t count our boy out. He has the guts and brains and talent to put fear into the stoutest hearted players!

      • Mim says:

        You hit the nail smack bang on the head Suzanne. I couldn’t have said it better myself. *virtual high five*


  11. Max Pinto says:

    Yes…fortune favors the brave, but that would also mean that Fed deserved the recent win against A-Rod…did he? As for the Wimbledon 2008 conditions being the same for both, this is true but the fact remains that players should not be allowed to continue in such unacceptable playing conditions! The match should be temporarily discontinued and re-scheduled accordingly. Rafa was injured recently, perhaps even before the Madrid loss to Fed….Fed suffered from mononucleosis followed by back problems for several months…Nadal has won 6 grand slam titles at 23…Borg had 8 and then retired with 11…time will tell how great Rafa is. Greatness calls for consistency and, by the way, Rafa is responsible for taking care of his own health and the same applies to each of us. If Fed won some Rafa-less finals that was because Rafa was not consistent enough to get to the finals except for 9 months or so. Despite what the experts say, I do not consider Fed to be the greatest, but he is certainly up there with Laver.
    Rafa is a true gentleman with a big heart and a considerable amount of endurance, but whether he proves to be a great player or not remains to be seen. Undue emotion on the part of his supporters will not automatically ensure that he has “greatness thrust upon him.” So…relax…and let’s wait and see what happens.

    • miri says:

      Yes…fortune favors the brave, but that would also mean that Fed deserved the recent win against A-Rod…did he?

      He won. It made me sad because I felt he was outplayed 90% of the match, but he won. Deserve doesn’t factor into it for me. Every player who steps up to the plate and gives it their all deserves to win. Only 50% do, however.

      Greatness calls for consistency

      In your opinion. It might not be the same for everyone.

      If Fed won some Rafa-less finals that was because Rafa was not consistent enough to get to the finals except for 9 months or so.

      Rafa has made it to finals pretty well throughout his career, so I’m not sure where the 9 month thing comes in. In fact, with fewer years on the tour and at a much younger age, he and Fed are tied for Master titles.

      Undue emotion on the part of his supporters will not automatically ensure that he has “greatness thrust upon him.”

      Undue emotions reside on both sides of the discussion. Fan is short for fanatic, after all.

      There are so many ways to measure greatness and no two people will agree on those measurements. For some, it’s consistency; for some it’s the excitement they generate on the court; for some it’s how the big tournaments are played; for some it’s longevity, etc. Bottom line for me is that we are picking nits about two excellent players and I don’t see a need to say one is “greater” than the other. They are both great. One player just happens to appeal to me more. That’s all.

      And people, let’s keep the conversation civil. I’ve had to delete two messages that I felt were over the top bashing. Max has stated his opinion in a polite manner – unlike many of the trolling pro-OtherPlayer posts I moderate all the time.

  12. Max Pinto says:

    Yes, A-Rod played better, but lost…exactly my point regarding luck, opportunity, fortune favoring the brave, etc., etc. That is why consistency comes into the picture. If you do not believe this, read the views of Laver, Borg, Connors, McEnroe,Lendl, Wilander, Agassi, Sampras, etc….the list is endless. Winning at a younger age does not prove that the trend will continue e.g. Borg in tennis, Tyson in boxing, Magic Johnson in Basketball vs. Michael Jordan.
    It is not Fed’s duty to ensure that Rafa is at the opposite end of the net when playing in any final! Undue emotion results in calling Fed the greatest, as most of the top tennis players of the last 40+ years have done, but I reserve my judgment. Nastase, McEnroe, Becker and Agassi were more appealing to many people than Fed but many of these people will not even hint at either of those players being ranked as equal to or better than Fed. Fan may be for fanatic, lunatic or whatever else, but emotions should not cloud judgment. Sometimes, judgment is easy e.g. Is Federer greater than Nastase? At other times, judgment is difficult e.g. Is Fed greater than Laver?

    • miri says:

      I wasn’t disagreeing with your point on the Roddick/Federer final – just saying the outcome made me sad.

      Winning at a younger age does not prove that the trend will continue

      I never said that either. I was just trying to point out that people have their own way of looking at things. Maybe it helps if you know that one of my favorite players was Mats Wilander. He had a great year and never regained his form after that. I don’t care about the rest. That one year was enough for me to say he was a great player. We just obviously are looking at things differently and, unless you can acknowledge that, there’s no point in continuing the discussion.

      And I feel it’s impossible to compare players from different eras. There are simply too many variables: equipment, depth of the tour, money, type of travel, surfaces, etc. So no, it’s not easy for me to say that Fed’s better than Nastase. It’s impossible for me to say that. Let’s see Fed fly coach, never get to pick up huge paychecks and endorsement deals, rarely get to play on hard courts, never get to serve out a set with a tiebreak, and do all this while playing with a wooden racket and natural gut strings. Since we will never see those things happen, it’s impossible to judge.

    • Mim says:

      “read the views of Laver, Borg, Connors, McEnroe,Lendl, Wilander, Agassi, Sampras, etc….”

      Yeah. Right.

      “It is not Fed’s duty to ensure that Rafa is at the opposite end of the net when playing in any final! ”

      This argument is getting old and cold. I love how in order to attempt to explain away the lopsided head-to-head record of Rafa vs Roger, people keep saying that Rafa should have reached more GS finals. According to that logic, they assume that if Rafa met Roger more than the 20 times they’ve played, then hopefully Roger would’ve been able to beat him some of those times, and so the head-to-head would not be so lopsided. But they leave out the possibility of the fact that if they HAD met more often in GS finals (or any tournament), then maybe the head-to-head would be even MORE lopsided, and Roger wouldn’t have the number of GS (and other titles) that he has now.

      If, but, shoulda, coulda, woulda. The fact is this, Rafa and Roger have played 20 times. It is the duty of the player to beat their opponent at the time they play each other. Roger had the chance to beat Rafa every one of those 20 times, he only managed to do it 7 times out of those meetings (counting the 2 times he beat Rafa out of 7 GS finals meetings). Sampras said the “black mark” on Roger’s legacy is his head-to-head against Rafa. Now all Fedfans want Roger to hurry up and even out that statistic. That’s Roger’s problem, not Rafa’s. It’s not Rafa’s fault (well actually it very much IS his fault, but you know what I mean.) He doesn’t owe anything to any human being. It’s not his job to get beaten by Roger so that Roger can complete his report card.

      Don’t be so uptight Max. I know that Fedfans tend to hold “legends” in such high regard. They tend to hang onto every word that an “expert” spews. We Rafans have learned to disregard a lot of what they say, because we’ve come to learn that a lot of what they say is..for lack of a better term..a crock of shit. But of course it’s hard to do because they’ve always been over the moon and over complimentary toward Roger. So when they do come out and say “How can Roger be considered the greatest of all time if he isn’t even the greatest of his generation?” Fedfans freak out and start to grasp at explanations and excuses. Chill, I never understood how fans of such a Great can be so insecure and defensive.

      “Undue emotion” aside, Roger is very happy when Rafa isn’t on the other side of the net.

      Look at all that happened to Roger when Rafa was out of the picture. Winning the French for the first time, winning Wimbly for the sixth time, completing the career GS, breaking Sampras’s record, regaining the #1 ranking. When the cat’s away the mice will play…And that’s the true.

      Let’s not kid ourselves, Rafa is exceptional. You say that just because he’s winning young doesn’t mean he’ll continue down that path. You can sight as many examples as you like. It works both ways, just because THEY DIDN’T doesn’t mean RAFA won’t.

      And this bit about Rafa not being consistent is complete rubbish! Anyone who can remember past yesterday knows the level of incredible consistency Rafa has exhibited and is still capable of exhibiting. People’s memories are incredibly short when it comes to Rafa’s abilities and accomplishments.

      As for comparing greats. What Miri said is spot on, so I will not go on to repeat it.

      In my view, and views of many (including “experts”) Rafa at 23 is already a legend of our sport. This “debate” and comparing is getting tired. Been there. Done that. There is nothing new to add. There’s nothing to say that hasn’t already been said. This topic will go on for as long as tennis exists on blogs and messages boards across the net.

      As for me: Vamos Rafa!

      • Mim says:

        It should be noted that when reading my above post, I am speaking in a low and calm tone. The exclamations should be interpreted as a hushed whisper? My tone in this post resembles that of a person trying to reason with a lunatic who insists on running time and time again into a brick wall…that’s on fire.

        With their ipod on full blast….
        And any loud tones will completely set them off.

    • mary says:

      Sorry Max but reading your numerous posts became all too uninteresting (yawn) lost interest in what you had to say. This site is called NADALNEWS. Got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!